what do these tax increases mean for families? there's been some confusion about which parts will be taxed at a higher level and certainly not all of it, right? can you clear that up? >> for example, suppose you made $69,000 a year. well, $59,000 would actually be taxed at 15%. so normal. but it's that extra 10,000 that would be taxed at 28%. so part of your income would be taxed at a higher rate. but let's not forget, even though it may just be part of your income, that's income that you don't have then to spend on other things. and so when we're talking about an any that's in a pretty fragile state as this one is right now, if people don't have as much money to spend, that's going to be hurtful. that's going to be hurtful to retail sales, to restaurants, to movie theaters, to everything that keeps this economy going. >> one thing that has also been discussed is taking away the mortgage interest deduction. certainly that's a big bonus of homeownership for a whole lot of folks. do you think it's a risky move considering how fragil